Friday, January 11, 2008

Extreme Reactions to Art

The blogger's headline summed it up perfectly: Another controversy, more death threats. It's almost become a punchline, the notion that any artwork exploring both sex and Islam will be met with a flurry of extreme reactions (death threats, riots, burned-down embassies...again?). The controversy in question this time involves the Iranian artist who goes by the name Sooreh Hera, whose photography of naked gay Muslim men wearing a mask said to depict the prophet Mohammed was pulled from an exhibition at the municipal museum in The Hague once it became clear to the museum director that that's what she was showing.

There seems to be some confusion around whether she misrepresented the nature of the work, but that's really beside the point in context of censorship here (what? an artist must disclose each and every possible reading before being included in a show?). As
The Times of London reported:

Speaking on the telephone from an unspecified location in the Netherlands last week, the artist, an Iranian exile who goes by the pseudonym of Sooreh Hera, said she had been threatened with “execution”. She accused the director of the municipal museum in The Hague of cowardice for caving in to Muslim extremists.

Her story is a reminder of the tensions that have put the Netherlands and other European countries on the front line, sending dozens of people threatened by extremists into hiding since 2004, when a Dutch film-maker was murdered on the street and his collaborator driven into exile.

This leaves Hera, 34, in no doubt that she is in real danger. “They said to me, ‘We’re going to burn you naked or put a bullet in your mouth’,” she said, referring to menacing e-mails.

“They say, ‘Now you are locked in your home and you cannot go out any more’.”
[...]
She said that by photographing gay Iranian exiles in masks of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, and Ali, his son-in-law, she had wanted to expose a “hypocritical” attitude towards homosexuality in countries such as Iran, where men can be hanged for homosexual conduct.

“They condemn homosexuality but in countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia it is common for married men to maintain relations with other men,” said Hera.

Of course, Muslims are hardly the only people to over-react to art work (Chocolate Jesus anyone?) or artist statements (death threats to the Dixie Chicks spring to mind), but the worst reactions from any side do seem to come in response to the mix of sex and religion.

Now I'll be the first one to defend the position that folks should discuss other people's religion with respect in most contexts (I think comedy has a bit more leeway to be disrespectful here, so long as that context is clear, and cartoons in particular should have the most leeway [with jokes about threats to one's life and well-being being the line in the sand]), but I do wish the world's religions could grow up to where they were able to discuss sex in the context of faith without offending their God. Surely God would not blush at any question his children might have about their bodies, why on earth do God's messengers?

Oh, I know, I know, the Garden of Eden, and carnal knowledge, and the effectiveness of shame in controlling people and all that...but seriously, God knows full well that Muslim men have sex with each other. Who do these extremists really feel this artist is offending? (Rhetorical question.)

I've been asked before what I would do if work we exhibited elicited threats, risking the wellfare, if not life, of those who might visit and/or work in the gallery. I was lucky before in that this particular scenario (i.e., where the work was first approved and then revealed to be offensive) hadn't been brought up. Back then I avoided the question by suggesting I would use quality as my only criteria in making the decision, but this example illustrates that that was a fantasy. (And so I learn.)

If there was truly a chance that the artist or someone in the gallery might be killed because of work on the walls, I would have to consider taking it down. I like to think I could absorb all the risk myself somehow (send our staff on vacation, hire security, ???), but the truth is the extremist might simply wait to demonstrate their displeasure. How would I live with myself if someone got hurt?

Even in the case of Sooreh Hera, the artist is blaming the museum for the position she's in, as if by standing up to the extremists and exhibiting the work she would be safer?

Actually, if enough museums/galleries stood up, she just might, though. If it was clear that the nutjobs who would kill someone over an expression would not change anything, my guess is such threats might decrease. In other words, standing up for freedom of expression in the face of threats is the only way to ensure it survives. Yes, it's risky, and yes there may be consequences, but there are most surely consequences for not standing up, and I'm not sure in the long run those are not more painful.

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Anonymous t.whid said...

Hi,

Great topic.

Just to clarify, she doesn't seem to "blaming the museum for the position she's in" she just says he's a coward for not standing up to the extremists and censoring her work instead.

But, as you note, someone who has responsibilities to others (not just themselves or family) has a different judgment to make if they perceive the threats to be real.

1/11/2008 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Thanks for the clarification, T.whid.

I'm not sure there's a usefully distinctive take away message, though, when she's calling him a coward from an undisclosed location. Perhaps there is, but it gets rather muddled in my brain.

1/11/2008 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous t.whid said...

Perhaps I didn't understand what you were saying. It sounded to me like you were saying that she thought she was in her undisclosed location *because* of the actions of the museum. I don't get that from her quotes in the article.

She'd be in her predicament regardless if her work was shown at this particular museum (as long as it was eventually publicly shown).

Unless of course the censorship's resulting media attention is what got the crazies on her tail -- then perhaps she does have reason to put some blame on the museum.

1/11/2008 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

She said that by photographing gay Iranian exiles in masks of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, and Ali, his son-in-law, she had wanted to expose a "hypocritical" attitude towards homosexuality in countries such as Iran, where men can be hanged for homosexual conduct.

Does anyone else question the artists intentions here as not being quite what she implies? I do not have a problem with her stated issues surrounding the hypocritical attitude towards homosexuality, this seems like a valid set of issues to examine. Nor, do I have a problem with the use of a an image of a generic Muslim man as a mask.

However when she suggests the mask represents Muhammad, I find myself questioning her motives. While I’m sure that everyone won’t agree with me, casting the mask in the identity of Muhammad strikes me as being a decision intentionally chosen to create controversy and publicity. Given the recent history of controversy surrounding the use of images of Muhammad, what has occurred in response to her artwork should have been expected. It seems like the museum made a safe but expected decision. The threats to Sooreh Hera are very troubling, but also unfortunately something which also should have been anticipated.

It’s propaganda.

1/11/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It's propaganda"

No, it is not.

Easy art, provocation, shallow, yes.

Still, I will and she should do whatever she wants. Everything has consequences even the best art.

Until you begin recognizing the bullies out there (like Charlie Finch) and fight them either in the "school yard" or with words, this world will remain flawed.

1/11/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

anon, ok, leave off propaganda.

Do you think that the reaction to the work is unexpected?

1/11/2008 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger prettylady said...

Another tempest in a sandbox. Ho hum.

It seems to me that if more people were interested in exploring the reasons why fundamentalists have over-the-top reactions to violations of their religious taboos, there might be some discourse on the topic worth risking one's life for. Karen Armstrong did a wonderful job of examining these issues in 'The Battle For God.'

But as long as we keep dismissing fundamentalists of all stripes as subhuman goons, and poking them to make them react, this discourse won't happen.

1/11/2008 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

"Is it propaganda?" is a valid question to my mind. I don't know enough yet to weigh in, but if it is, then there are different criteria by which I would discuss it.

In other words, if her goal was to change attitudes, rather than expose them, I'd be inclined to think she may be guilty of what George called "intentionally [choosing] to create controversy and publicity." That is problematic for me, as it suggests the work is lopsided.

The chronology, as the museums director reports it, is they agreed to show the work when it was presented as identity exploration of gay Muslims. Only after it was installed did the artist reveal that the mask depicted Mohammed. Again, I'm not sure any artist is obligated to pre-submit any and every possible reading of the work, but then again if the work is propaganda (i.e., "information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.), then I'm more inclined to believe she intentionally revealed that only after the work was installed, calling into question her integrity, IMHO.

The museum director's side cannot be verified or accepted as absolute truth here, from what I read, though, so I'm not accusing as much as wondering out loud.

It seems to me that if more people were interested in exploring the reasons why fundamentalists have over-the-top reactions to violations of their religious taboos, there might be some discourse on the topic worth risking one's life for.

Hear hear! There is such discourse in literature, but not visual art that I know of. Perhaps part of the problem there, though, is the difference between cultures in the significance/taboo/sacrity of images. How do you visually discuss Allah, for example, when any image of him is forbidden and I suspect any proxy would be open to intense scrutiny.

1/11/2008 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

Only after it was installed did the artist reveal that the mask depicted Muhammed.

Accepting this as true, it is what bothers me. If the mask is just a middle eastern man or implicitly a Muslim man it fits within the artists stated issues. By suggesting that the mask represents Muhammed, the focus is derailed and shifted towards religion and consequently towards the current religious controversy. Is the artist making a statement about Muhammed’s principles or Muslim attitude towards homosexuality?

1/11/2008 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Joanne Mattera said...

Ed,

First, a lovely use of brackets and parentheses--very clear and well done.

But to the point of your topic: If I were a curator, I would want to make the decisions about what I showed. I would not want to be manipulated by an artist into showing something that would bring danger to my institution or the people in it. This is different, of course, from the curators who cave after they've made certain considered decisions, like the museum in Chicago (?)that removed Mapplethorpe's "Man in Polyester Suit."

Kudos to the artist for wanting to tackle a mountain of a topic-- especially in light of the fatwas that have resulted over the years for other such artistic and political efforts--but you don't place a flaming bomb on the front lines and then retreat behind the bodies of others. That's quite unpolitical.

If museums want to stand up, great! But I would imagine that it should be done as a conscious decision, with security in place. The way it's done at abortion clinics. Because as long as offended exrtremists feel they have to kill to object, it's the same kind of war, isn't it?

1/11/2008 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous t.whid said...

I'm really troubled by what I perceive as blaming the artist here.

Why is depicting Mohamed in art suddenly, in the last few years, akin to a 'flaming bomb'? That is a truly ridiculous state of affairs and the arts should fight it.

Why should she expect death threats for exercising the basic human right of self-expression?

I'm hearing that the artist should have self-censored to avoid these problems and it's her own damn fault. But why? Because religious nuts will threaten to kill her? So all artists should take religious fundamentalists feelings into account before making work? That's ridiculous.

1/11/2008 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Why is depicting Mohamed in art suddenly, in the last few years, akin to a 'flaming bomb'?

because there's a global ideological struggle underway and there are those (on both sides) not adverse to maniuplating the masses via such episodes. I'm not saying it's right...just that that's the reality.

1/11/2008 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous t.whid said...

Hi Edward,

because there's a global ideological struggle underway and there are those (on both sides) not adverse to manipulating the masses via such episodes

I guess I didn't express myself well there...

Of course I understand that there are religious extremists in the world that wish to impose their dogma on all of us. And forces on the right-wing that try to exploit fears of these extremists. That is our reality.

But, to me, the questions should be: should this particular artist acquiesce to the fundamentalists? Should the curator have caved to them? Should the forces of liberality in general cave to them?

If the artist had been criticizing the forces of right-wing authoritarianism and received death threats I don't think we'd be blaming the artist.

1/11/2008 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger prettylady said...

So all artists should take religious fundamentalists feelings into account before making work? That's ridiculous.

I rest my case.

It's hard to genuinely empathize with people who are very, very different from you. It's hard to communicate with different people in a way that can be heard. It's hard to take on complex, emotionally charged issues with any success. It's easy to make childish, provocative gestures which upset people and get you a lot of publicity, which is why young artists do so much of it.

How do you visually discuss Allah, for example, when any image of him is forbidden

Warning: shameless horn tooting ahead.

At the Blogger Show opening in Pittsburgh, I overheard a mother ask her daughter what this painting looked like to her.

"It looks like God," replied the girl.

It can be done.

1/11/2008 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

But, to me, the questions should be: should this particular artist acquiesce to the fundamentalists? Should the curator have caved to them? Should the forces of liberality in general cave to them?

If the artist had been criticizing the forces of right-wing authoritarianism and received death threats I don't think we'd be blaming the artist.


Agreed on all accounts. But left out is the fact that we (at least I) AM, first and foremost, blaming the Muslim extremists for this situation.

But given that I know from experience they will follow through on a threat, I'm not inclined to risk the lives of those in my gallery to make a point that might be made in a less threatening way. Does this mean this artist's vision isn't quite right for the time? Yes. Is that unfortunate? Yes. Does that mean I could live with myself if by taking a stand someone I care about or a guest of mine was hurt? Probably not.

Long story short, I'm not sure the artist can't be held accountable for her actions when she knows what they will likely lead to. She's certainly entitled to her expression, but with that comes responsibility in a practical sense. She can't expect to present such work and have others change the world overnight so that she doesn't bear any consequences. I applaud the brave souls who take on the extremists. I will do what I can to help them. I won't risk the lives of someone I care about though for something she wasn't brave enough herself to be entirely upfront about. That's what's really being criticized here...the seeming duplicity.

1/11/2008 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

If the artist had been criticizing the forces of right-wing...

Well, that is exactly what she is doing.

1/11/2008 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...but then again if the work is propaganda (i.e., "information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.), then I'm more inclined to believe she intentionally revealed that only after the work was installed, calling into question her integrity, IMHO.

Really?? Because it seems to me that this argument could just as easily be applied to someone making anti-Bush work. It's a weak way of defining integrity in the art world, imho.

1/11/2008 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

Correct, it does apply to anti-Bush work, it's propagandistic.

1/11/2008 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Really?? Because it seems to me that this argument could just as easily be applied to someone making anti-Bush work. It's a weak way of defining integrity in the art world, imho.

I have applied it to someone making anti-Bush work. I criticized the awful piece by Richard Serra with the Abu Ghraib hooded figure for the exact same thing...being propaganda, not art.

I think it's a very important way of defining integrity in the art world, myself.

1/11/2008 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So many heads buried in the sand...

You people need to pay attention!

Who is creating-using-believing the propaganda?

Would you call a catholic bishop a fundamentalist? Why don't you google a little and find out what most of them are doing all over this country. Go. Go ahead.

Why don't we have art about them?

How come I don't see more art in Chelsea about the many "reverends" out there? Yes, the many haters out there?

You all have a double standard.

I bet EW wouldn't show any who did.

1/11/2008 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

But, to me, the questions should be: should this particular artist acquiesce to the fundamentalists? Should the curator have caved to them? Should the forces of liberality in general cave to them?

Suppose we reframe the issue here.
Lets say one person in a group of people walks up to some other person and gives them a hard push on the chest, a mild but obvious physical assault. What could we expect the reaction to be?

Suppose instead of a physical assault, it’s just a loud verbal assault. What could we expect the reaction to be?

Extend the verbal assault to include sensitive issues of race or religion, then what could we expect the reaction to be.

Somewhere among the choices above the counter response will be a physical. I am not justifying this, just making an observation about what I think would happen.

Should we assume that only the assaulted must be responsible for their actions?

1/11/2008 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

re anon's comment,

Do your research, we do.

1/11/2008 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Art about Bush? Please!!!!

Who would think it is important, care or "hunt" you because of it. Half of the country? And the other half? Lame. Empty. Irrelevant.

1/11/2008 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous t.whid said...

George said: Should we assume that only the assaulted must be responsible for their actions?

I don't accept this analogy. Criticizing someone's ideas is not the same as physically attacking them or even verbally haranguing them.

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To Edward:
Back to your more interesting issue.

We all understand that there are controversial subjects in the world. Your question of how much responsibility an artist has of honestly discussing the realpolitik involved with showing their works with her gallerist or museum director etc are interesting to me.

I have to agree that if you want an institution to support your work, these issues should be addressed beforehand so everyone knows where they stand. Is there ever a situation where an artist has the right to hide or minimize themes in their work to get it shown?

1/11/2008 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

ok, anon, what's your point?

There has been art about political and religious figures which have caused controversy within the art world. So, from a promotional point of view, these topics will tend to generate publicity.

I agree that the extremist Muslim response has been over the top and unacceptable. This is a known fact, Salman Rushdie comes to mind immediately for me, along with Van Gogh etc. So what I question is the effectiveness of further inflaming the extremist Muslim factions to produce what will obviously be the expected response, what do we learn that is new?

1/11/2008 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

t.whid

I'm not suggesting they are the same, but that one can start to expect a certain type of response.

Walk into a ghetto and racially insult someone verbally, chances are you will end up on your back.

I do not see how anyone could expect the reaction to this artwork to be benign, it's just not realistic.

1/11/2008 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

I do wish the world's religions could grow up...

If they did they'd disappear.

1/11/2008 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I were an Iranian artist I would do easy art like this as much as possible. Tons of it.

Preferably underground, not for a museum or institution.

Somebody should tell her. Fire away dear! Only you have the right to do it.

A t-shirt anyone?

1/11/2008 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is my point?

How many rules and traditions do you think she is breaking with this work?

No less than 10.

Try doing that in Chelsea.

1/11/2008 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

How many rules and traditions do you think she is breaking with this work?

No less than 10.

Try doing that in Chelsea.


Are there even 10 rules in Chelsea?

Isn't art/analysis harder when the traditions aren't so sacred?

1/11/2008 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep thinking, go deeper... . You are getting my point. Who is the audience for the work?


Don't you think she is a generous person? Instead of doing work about women she chooses gays. EW?

The museum director only saw "one" problem and instead the work is about so many other things.

1/11/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Keep thinking, go deeper... . You are getting my point. Who is the audience for the work?

What is this, The Paper Chase? Please spell it out already. This is a blog. Present your argument and defend it...don't ask people to guess what it is.

1/11/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger zipthwung said...

You are right, Sahara. There are no mists, or veils, or distances. But the mist is surrounded by a mist; and the veil is hidden behind a veil; and the distance continually draws away from the distance. That is why there are no mists, or veils, or distances. That is why it is called The Great Distance of Mists and Veils.

It is here that The Traveller becomes The Wanderer, and The Wanderer becomes The One Who Is Lost, and The One Who Is Lost becomes The Seeker, and The Seeker becomes The Passionate Lover, and The Passionate Lover becomes The Beggar, and The Beggar becomes The Wretch, and the Wretch becomes The One Who Must Be Sacrificed, and The One Who Must Be Sacrificed becomes The Resurrected One, and The Resurrected One becomes The One Who Has Transcended The Great Distance of Mist and Veils.

Then for a thousand years (or the rest of the afternoon) such a One spins in the Blazing Fire of Changes, embodying all the transformations, one after the other, and then beginning again, and then ending again, 86,000 times a second.

1/11/2008 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger zipthwung said...

or to paraphrase Leonar Cohen; sex art and religion, its a f'in strip tease innit?

1/11/2008 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger zipthwung said...

im with anon - the work, seen through the lense of the art market and the art world (without which the work ceases to be art), is just a careerist rehash of traditional shock tactics - if not agitprop (I think it is, but I dont care to argue the point, so boring) its pretty hamfisted and unsubtle to the point of being adolescent - in effect the fire with which you fight the fire. Flaming, in fact, as was pointed out obtusely, band then with a note of condescension, and then well riposted, and thats the way we like it, sunshiners.

Im all for challenging identity, if that's your thing, but you know, don't store your condoms in your gas can.

1/11/2008 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous t.whid said...

I'll admit to being mystified here.

What is the point of the people pointing out that the work is bad (or not art at all but propaganda. propaganda for whom? they don't say).

Who cares what you call it. Or if it's good or bad art (as far as the institutional definition of art goes). Should this women really need to hide out in a non-disclosed location and receive death threats for taking some photos? You all seem perfectly content with the status quo where muslim extremists have this sort of power over discourse in europe.

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Edward's point about dealing with the real world impact of showing certain pieces vis a vis the artist curator relationship is the most interesting thing about this topic IMHO.

1/11/2008 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Should this women really need to hide out in a non-disclosed location and receive death threats for taking some photos?

The obvious answer is no. The next question, though, is much tougher. What can we, the art world, do to change the fact that she feels she needs to?

I like to think if I would risk the potential backlash, boldly defending an artist who folks made threats against, that I would play a role in changing things. I'm not so sure I'd feel the same if someone bombed the gallery.

I'm not sure you can effectively respond to terrorism as an individual. You have to do it the way the citizens of Madrid did it: en masse. Individuals get trampled. Millions of people standing up to it together, refusing to change or be fearful, is the best antidote I know of. In the art world, I imagine you could get every other gallery and museum in the Hague to show the work (much as many other publications ran the Danish cartoons in solidarity). I don't know....

1/11/2008 06:09:00 PM  
Blogger zipthwung said...

well my point, t whid, is not if this work is good or bad, but that bad work primes the pump for more bad work. Merely by discussing this work we make it stronger. Better to pretend we never heard about it, but of course make or find something better to replace it with as conversation. Criticality is a survival mechanism as well as a way of lording it over lesser minds. And this work does exist with the grace of such museum sanctified and ratified ideals.

That art is often ambiguous means it works polysemicly or multivalently (like the devil). The idea that this work should be received philosophicly by islamic fundamentalists (or anyone with fixed ideals) is juvenile in its naivety and lack of intellectual rigour.

How do you make philosophers out of warriors and mental midgets?

I think it is a proper point to ask what the intended audience for this project was, and how it escaped the biodome. Whoever let it rip, into the wild, is culpable and should be held accountable, regardless of age or education.

This kind of theater is akin to bear baiting, and though I find it entertaining, I do feel compelled to point out its conceptual inadequacies, regardless of the real questions, whatever they may be (party tonight?)

It's unfortunate that the "artist" is subject to an extreme reaction rather than the publicist - that cosmopolitan indifference has been replaced with florid apoplexy.

1/11/2008 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger hovie said...

George -- Don't fly too close to "she shouldn't have worn that dress." That type of thinking leads to veils. I realize that people mustn't taunt tigers, but humans have more social obligations than zoo animals.

PrettyLady -- We need to tweak culture's nose sometimes to force people to evaluate priorities and make choices. Is it better to assume men are rapists, and force women to wear veils (at the risk of punishment), or better to assume women are free, and force men to act mature (at the risk of punishment)? Sometimes these questions can't be solved without tackling them head-on. Also, anger is the fault of the angry. If you're making book recommendations, then let me suggest that it's the responsibility of the angry to understand their own anger.

Edward -- The art world can do exactly what you've done today. You already know my views on this subject so I'll just say thanks for this post. You have no choice but to act as an individual. Like teachers say, there are always 10 people with the same question, but everyone waits quietly to see who'll ask first. There's no other way out of zipthwung's Mother of all Mists but for someone to light the first flame.

Zipthwung -- Comparing this work to bear-baiting might be dehumanizing in a way that hurts not them for being insulted, but us for failing to hold to standards. If this work is bad art, then at least by its existence it challenges someone else to do better. "Disagree with you but defend your right to say it," and all that. We haven't even gotten out of the "defend your right to say it" cave. Let's get out of the cave before we decide what wallpaper matches the carpets.

1/11/2008 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Joseph Giannasio said...

I imagine you could get every other gallery and museum in the Hague to show the work

It would seem anyone with an interest in doing something and an inkjet printer could show this image in support of freedom of expression, much like people wore the red ribbon for A.I.D.S. awareness, or tie yellow ribbons to support the troops.

It seems to me this is similar to the tree falling in the forest question.

Do you have freedom of speech if you're afraid to exercise it?

1/11/2008 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger prettylady said...

Wrong question, Joseph.

Do you have freedom of speech if nobody listens to you?

We need to tweak culture's nose sometimes to force people to evaluate priorities and make choices.

I'm not a big fan of force, myself. 'Subtlety, insight, and an attempt to understand' are my preferred modes of cultural interaction, particularly with people who have proven themselves violent.

This is perhaps why I do not have a very large audience.

1/11/2008 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger zipthwung said...

Speak softly and carry a gun. Scares the heck out of the neighbors. When you come for me, I'll speak for myself. Unless you are body snatchers, then I'll probably just give up, screw the drama.

1/11/2008 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It would seem anyone with an interest in doing something and an inkjet printer could show this image in support of freedom of expression, much like people wore the red ribbon for A.I.D.S. awareness, or tie yellow ribbons to support the troops."

I repeat:

A t-shirt anyone?

1/12/2008 03:52:00 AM  
Blogger Joseph Giannasio said...

A t-shirt anyone?

print them up and bring them to Chelsea I'll buy one, and wear it.

P.S. give them to the cute girls and fabulous boys so everyone will want one.

1/12/2008 04:18:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

does this turn off the italics?

1/12/2008 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

apparently not.

Joseph,

yours is the comment with the odd bit of html that somehow overrode blogger's defense against errant codes, so I'm gonna repost it below with the last bit taken out and delete your comment above...sorry for any linear confusion that might cause, folks:
___________________________

Joseph Giannasio said...

There are no wrong questions,
only wrong answers

The answer is:

you don't have freedom of speech if someone has terrorized you enough for you to have to think "I shouldn't say that or make take that picture, or paint that canvas."

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin


We went through great struggles in this country, and I think photographs have contributed to the political discourse by showing the human response to oppression, be it racial, religious or economic, the images have become icons, and yes a bit of propaganda, during the civil rights movement, showing pictures of lynchings, crowds being beaten back, they helped to show the struggle, and the violence of oppression.

whether or not that photograph is or isn't art, whether she lied about the content to get it shown, (I don't think it got to that point)What is most important is she is in self exile from an oppressive religion, and is doing what she can to show that oppression, using the tools we have used, she is making a stance for gay rights in her country, not unlike the pre Stonewall U.S. gay movement. Gays in America have fought and bled, and died, and made progress to a point where they are gaining rights to Gay Marriage.
(There wasn't always a Halloween Parade) and this is another case that if it weren't censored it would have gone un-noticed, but the most disturbing thing is that from the London Times article it appears there weren't any direct threats made to the museum, it seems Wim van Krimpen, director of the museum self censored out of fear saying “certain people in our society might perceive it as offensive” that's what's disturbing.

of note from the L.T.

Wouter Bos, the deputy prime minister, seemed to take a stand for freedom of speech, saying: “In a democracy, we do not recognise the right not to be insulted.”

and the question that is asked is will the West support her as she shows the personal results of an established oppressive religion,

For her part, Hera, who fled Iran seven years ago, says she has “no regrets”, particularly when she thinks about the young men and women being hanged there for offending the country’s code of sexuality. “I do it for them,” she said, “for the boys and girls with no freedom in Iran.”

1/12/2008 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger American Genius said...

I think I like this woman. She only is trying to speak the truth I think.

1/13/2008 11:28:00 PM  

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